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jdmarti1 Moderator	# Posted: 1 May 2006 11:21 Why is this being allowed? Illegals do not have rights - they are here illegally. How can they be demonstrating? Why are the authorities not rounding these folks up and sending them home?
jdmarti1 Moderator	# Posted: 1 May 2006 11:57 Some interesting statistics: From Heather Mac Donald, Senior Fellow, Manhattan Institute for Policy Research http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mac_donald 04-13-05.htm --A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations. It commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico. --Immigration and Customs Enforcement conservatively puts the number of illegals in Mara Salvatrucha as a “majority;” police officers, by contrast, assert that the gang is overwhelmingly illegal. --Law enforcement officials estimate that 20% of gang members in San Diego County are illegal, according to the Union-Tribune. -- The L.A. County Sheriff reported in 2000 that 23% of inmates in county jails were deportable, according to the New York Times. --The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around Los Angeles’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation. -- In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in the first half of 2004 (which totaled 1,200 to 1,500) targeted illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) were for illegal aliens. --The Los Angeles Police Department arrests about 2500 criminally-convicted deportees annually, reports the Los Angeles Times. Here is a page I found that disgusts me - how many of these types are demonstrating today? http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/criminal s.html
jdmarti1 Moderator	# Posted: 1 May 2006 12:01 - Edited by: jdmarti1 One last thing - before I give myself a stroke!!!! Why do I continually hear people complaining about "criminalizing" illegal immigration? They came here illegally - they are CRIMINALS!!! No matter how often I hear that they are hard working family loving folks - I always wonder one thing. They broke the law to get here - how many other laws will they break to get what they want?
simon Moderator	# Posted: 1 May 2006 14:38 I'm not going to comment because you don't want to even get me started on this subject not to mention the rules that would undoubtedly be broken. grrrrrr
simon Moderator	# Posted: 2 May 2006 08:07 Aw shucks, I knew it was too good to be true. Yesterday was called a day without immigrants. Well today they are still here.
simon Moderator	# Posted: 4 May 2006 17:12 I have not confirmed the following information but I don't doubt it either. This is 4 year old information. I bet the numbers are even greater now. WHERE YOUR TAXES GO - ILLEGAL ALIENS Attributed to the LA Times, June 2002: 1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card. 2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. 3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens. 4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers. 5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens. 6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages. 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border. 8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal. 9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking. 10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County). (All 10 from the Los Angeles Times) Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare. See... http://www.cis.org/ Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration. The cost of illegal immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University]. The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.
simon Moderator	# Posted: 5 May 2006 12:21 from the internet so consider the source... -------Original Message------- Subject: FW: Legal or illegal Legal or Illegal This started out as a note from someone in Southern California. I have deleted the originator's name, but the message follows. LPC As you all listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration there are some things that you should be aware of. As most of you know my wife is in charge of the English-as-a- second-language department at large southern California high school, which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socio -economic and income levels. Most of the schools you are hearing about--South Gate High, Bell Gardens, Huntington Park, etc.--where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools. My wife tells me that 100% of the students in her school and other Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast, free lunch program. When I say free breakfast I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll...but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. She estimates that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage mothers (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. She was ordered to spend $700,000 on her department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; her budget was already substantial. She ended up buying new computers for their computer learning center; half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America. She has had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less than 3 months who raised so much ** with the female teachers, calling them "Putas"--whores--and throwing things that the teachers were in tears. Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc., etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements? To my conservative friends: I hope you're really proud of how George W. Bush has helped to sell-out this country with his pro-illegal policy. I voted for him too, but on this issue he is a disaster. To my bleeding-heart liberal friends who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes, spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs. Higher insurance, Medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc., etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes. We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will leave and return voluntarily? There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should encourage and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and legal way. It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate...and an American culture that has become so weak and politically correct that we don't have the will to do anything about it. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know. To this I can add : The security factor. Who are these people? They haven't been vetted, they could be convicted criminals in their homeland, they could be terrorists. We have no idea who or where they are. Also not mentioned in the above letter are other things that we, as responsible Americans, are morally - and even legally required to comply with that they don't. Do you have insurance on your car? Most hit-and-run accidents are caused by illegal immigrants. Do you have a driver's license? Many of them don't. There is a requirement to have translators (at the tax-payers cost) in court proceedings. Many of these illegals are never charged because the police know that they will fail to appear in court anyway, taking the police away from their duty to make an appearance. Do you have kids in college? Are you aware that many illegal immigrants are attending college at "in-state" tuition rates? Legal Americans attending state colleges in states other than their own have to pay more, but not so for those who shouldn't even be here in the first place. Personally I have no problem with LEGAL immigrants. I have even attended a citizenship ceremony for a friend and co- worker of whom I am extremely proud. On the other hand, ILLEGAL immigrants (no, not "undocumented workers- the politically correct term) are, well, just that! ILLEGAL! What gives them the right to go to the front of the line when there are many others who are trying to do it legally? This is not an anti-Mexican or anti-Hispanic sentiment. I don't give a ** where they came from, Mexico, Poland, Russia, Cambodia, Somalia, wherever...if they are here illegally, then they are all illegal, each and every one committing the crime of illegal entry. We don't get to choose which laws we want to obey here in the USA. Just my 2 cents worth
simon Moderator	# Posted: 5 May 2006 20:44 also from the net... Mexican Standoff - by Charlie Daniels I checked Hoaxbusters & Snopes and neither one had a thing on it, so maybe Charlie really did write this after all, it's true and it needed to be said by somebody! Mexican Standoff By Charlie Daniels I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but to me I think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally, made a huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations. I don't blame anybody in the world for wanting to come to the United States of America, as it is a truly wonderful place. But when the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is illegal it is flat out wrong and I don't care how many lala land left heads come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me sensitivity lessons. I don't need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don't have anything against Mexicans, I just have something against criminals and anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal and if you don't believe it try coming into America from a foreign country without a passport and see how far you get. What disturbs me about the demonstrations is that it's tantamount to saying, "I am going to come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and there's nothing you can do about it." It's an "in your face" action and speaking just for me I don't like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of gonads in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn't be happening. Where are you, you bunch of lily-livered, pantywaist, forked tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have you been drinking the water out of the Potomac again? And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will probably be so pork laden and watered down that it won't mean anything anyway. Besides, what good is another law going to do when you won't enforce the ones on the books now? And what ever happened to the polls guys? I thought you folks were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain't paying any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around eighty percent of Americans want something done about this mess, and mess it is and getting bigger everyday. This is no longer a problem; it is a dilemma and headed for being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in France with the Muslims can't happen here when the businesses who hire these people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned Hispanics take to the streets? If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle under on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that you care nothing for the kind of country your children and grandchildren will inherit. But I guess that doesn't matter as long as you get re-elected. Shame on you. One of the big problems in America today is that if you have the nerve to say anything derogatory about any group of people (except Christians)you are going to be screamed at by the media and called a racist, a bigot and anything else they can think of to call you. Well I've been pounded by the media before and I'm still rockin' and rollin' and when it comes to speaking the truth I fear not. And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop politicians are just about to sell out the United States of America because they don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the face reality. And reality is that we would never allow any other group of people to have 12 million ILLEGALS in this country and turn around and say, "Oh its ok, ya'll can stay here if you'll just allow us to slap your wrist." And I know that some of you who read this column are saying "Well what's wrong with that?" I'll tell you what's wrong with it. These people could be from Mars as far as we know. We don't know who they are, where they are or what they're up to and the way the Congress is going we're not going to find out. Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already subsidize corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor as well? If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to turn a blind eye to them or if they were from Somalia or Afghanistan? I think not. All the media shows us are pictures of hard working Hispanics who have crossed the border just to try to better their life. They don't show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS 13, the violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks did. They don't tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican illegals some fat cat hired to pick his crop. I want to make two predictions. No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until it erupts in violence on our streets while the wimps in Washington drag their toes in the dirt and try to figure how many tons of political hay they can make to the acre. No 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some kind of weapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American city after which there will be a backlash such as this country has never experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will probably tilt as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side of the issue. I don't know about you but I would love to see just one major politician stand up and say," I don't care who I make mad and I don't care how many votes I lose, this is a desperate situation and I'm going to lead the fight to get it straightened out." I don't blame anybody for wanting to come to America, but if you don't respect our immigration laws why should you respect any others. And by the way, this is America and our flag has stars and stripes. Please get that other one out of my face. Pray for our troops. What do you think? God Bless America! Charlie Daniels April 10, 2006
jdmarti1 Moderator	# Posted: 6 May 2006 20:29 - Edited by: jdmarti1 This is actually 2 posts on Charlie Daniels Soapbox forum that have been combined. They are his writings - links to both of them are below. URL URL Here is the link to his soapbox URL definitely some good reads!!! He sure doesn't act like so many of the entertainment wienies we see and hear about!!! SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AND OUR PRESIDENT!!!
simon Moderator	# Posted: 11 May 2006 07:15 The State of Arizona thinks this is a problem. Now if the talking heads in Washington will open their eyes. Not likely, Washington is a long way from our southern border. simon out Arizona Sheriff's Department Unleashes Immigrant Posse Updated: May 10th, 2006 10:00 AM PDT AMANDA LEE MYERS Associated Press Gila Bend, Arizona-- Four Mexican men sit in the dirt with their wrists bound, shoulders hunched and eyes lowered to avoid the glare of the rising sun. The immigrants had been on their way to build a dairy farm in this town about an hour southwest of Phoenix. But after a traffic stop for a faulty brake light, members of a sheriff's task force targeting human and drug smugglers found they were not U.S. citizens. Now they were bound for federal custody. Beginning Wednesday, more illegal immigrants coming through Maricopa County could meet the same fate as the sheriff's department beefs up its efforts to find illegal immigrants. A 250-member posse that will operate similarly to the anti-smuggler task force will patrol the area for illegal immigrants who pay smugglers to cross through Arizona, the busiest illegal entry point along the 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border. The posse will be made up of existing sheriff's deputies and members of the department's 3,000-member posse reserve of trained, unpaid volunteers. The four illegal immigrants pulled over Monday will be turned over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and sent back to Mexico. But those that are captured by the posse may end up in jail, charged under a state law that has been used against more than 100 illegal immigrants in Maricopa County this year. The law made human smuggling a state crime in Arizona - it was already a federal crime - allowing local law enforcement agencies to arrest suspected smugglers. It was meant to crack down on smugglers, but under a disputed interpretation, County Attorney Andrew Thomas argues the law can be applied to the smuggled immigrants themselves. Thomas maintains illegal immigrants who pay smugglers to enter the United States are committing conspiracy to smuggle and can therefore be prosecuted under the state law. The sheriff's office began arresting illegal immigrants under that interpretation in March, and with the new posse, will continue doing so by patrolling desert areas and main roadways in the southwestern part of the county. "I'm going to catch as many as I can and throw them in my jail," said Sheriff Joe Arpaio. "And the jails are not that nice." It remains to be seen whether a judge will uphold the smuggling law as applicable to illegal immigrants. Lawyers for some arrested illegal immigrants have filed motions to have the charges dismissed. A Los Angeles attorney brought into the case by the Mexican Consul General's Office in Phoenix filed another motion claiming Thomas and Arpaio are violating state and federal law and are using the conspiracy charges to control illegal immigration, which is the federal government's job. Arpaio said the motions don't worry him. "I get sued when I go to the toilet. You think I'm worried about it?" he said. "If they think I'm going to slow down because of these threats, I've got news for them - I'm not going to slow down. I'll do more of it." Alfredo Gutierrez, a Hispanic activist and former Democratic state senator, called Thomas' interpretation of the law and Arpaio's use of it "political pranks." "Every act like this contributes to the angst and anger and desperation in our community," Gutierrez said. Elias Bermudez, president of the pro-immigrant group Inmigrantes Sin Fronteras, or Immigrants Without Borders, questions the legality of the immigration posse itself. "It is racial profiling," he said. "They don't follow guys that are blond and blue-eyed." Bermudez said Arpaio is "a good criminal sheriff, but he needs to go out there and find criminals. He wants to go after the poor, undocumented immigrant who is hungry and thirsty in the desert. That is totally inhumane."
simon Moderator	# Posted: 15 May 2006 07:58 It sounds like Washington is finally doing something to secure the southern border. The INS, Border Patrol, state agencies and Minute Men can use the help. The tv said California and New Mexico aren't in favor of sending the National Guard. Whats up with that?
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